Helpful feedback on Lunar Games items

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--Jono Bean 15:33, 28 Aug 2006 (NZST)

Some specific comments

Titan Breastplate

Is the intention that when using it Mebh will not be able to have beneficial spells cast on her?

Currently the only important beneficial spell it stops is Quickness. Most buff/utility type spells are not resistable and lots of them have sufficient duration that they can be cast in the morning before the armour is put on.

The fact that she can be 'buffed up' before putting on her armour means she only misses out on the quick and dirty melee spells such as Quickness. All the other typical buffs would cover her for the entire day.

I find it interesting that people generally value this so highly. The fact that you can't be under the effect of a Quickness while wearing it makes it pretty mediocre. Given that this item will only be used on a high-level game, most characters will have access to Rk 20 Str of Stone, and at least mid-rank Waters of Str anyway. Of course, it is nice to have them on all the time, but would you trade it for no quickness? On a high-level game, this item *effectively* slows the wearer ensuring that they take twice as long to do any action (because everyone except them will be quickened). Personally, I wouldn't wear it even if it was given to me for free, but then I like having actions too much :) Other people may prefer to act less often and have a little more resistance, but I suspect I am not alone in my choice. Would *you* wear it? Anyone attacking the wearer in melee gets -10 on their die rolls, so at least 1 in 10 attacks is a possible spec. If the armour takes 5 specs in a single combat then you throw the entire thing away (since it can only be repaired if it has positive AR). It *is* good armour, but *only* good armour. Andrew 08:01, 30 Aug 2006 (NZST)

Hmmm, good points Andrew, though I have to admit that I based my value on the presumption that someone would work out a way to get around the quickness problem. There always seems to be something happening to play around with the rules, so I am sure someone will find a way to slip a quickness through the cracks :-) You have also probably got to used to extreme games that alsways have access to Quickness, Str of Stone and Waters of Str. Access is not always available, especially to the latter 2, so permanent effects in this are very worthwhile.

Dean 11:15, 30 Aug 2006 (NZST)

Andrew wrote: "If the armour takes 5 specs in a single combat then you throw the entire thing away (since it can only be repaired if it has positive AR)".

Yep, true... unless you have access to something that will "repair one Specific Grievous of damage to any type of armour", such as 25sp worth of Copper Leaves (from the Fastness), plus some wine. (Recent party hauled back 450 lbs of these -- enough to fix 90 spec grevs).

Martin Dickson 12:38, 31 Aug 2006 (NZST)

Sword of Aaron

I rate this as one of the toughest items. A +5% +5 Dam Hand and a Half is a weapon that most fighters would use as first choice. That it can potentially petrify everyone you strike is awesome. Resistance at -20 means that at least half of the people you hit will be statues. The biggest problem I forsee in using this weapon is trying to squeeze between the ranks of statues in front of you to get at the people behind them. It is DQ-Supers tough but if that is the level you intended than that's your descision.

The issue I have with it is why resist vs Water General?? Binder Special I could understand as they have a spell that turns people into stone, or Mind Special (Mol Rec), or Wicca Special (Damnum Magnatum), or Earth Special (Binders probably stole the spell from Earth), or even Namer Special as a Naming/Untrue form type thing. But Water General is odd.

Stephen 11:25, 25 Aug 2006 (NZST)

Sword of Aaron has been re-written. --Jono Bean 15:36, 28 Aug 2006 (NZST)

The Sword of Aaron (v2): WGT: 6 lbs Value: Quest; This magical hand and a half sword is made of fine blue silver with a golden handle. It is magically enchanted to give the user a SC of 65% (being +5 over normal), and D+10 damage (being +5 over normal), and if effective damage is done to none living creatures with this weapon, then the target must resist Vrs Water Special or be dehydrated and then turned to stone (once dead).

I assume this is meant to be 'damage done to non-living creatures...'. This tones down the weapon a lot as it will not affect the living and many non-living would not be affected by dehydration. -- Stephen 18:10, 28 Aug 2006 (NZST)

Ummm... there are almost no non-living creatures that will be affected by dehydration. Undead will not be affected (even Zombies will likely just become skeletons). Demons/Devils will not be affected. Golems (except perhaps flesh golems) will not be affected. A struggle to think of anything I have encounted in the last year of play that *would* be affected. The valuation of such an item would be pretty low. Andrew 08:01, 30 Aug 2006 (NZST)

Yeah, I was struggling to think of anything that would be affected but I assumed that was just me being slow and there would be a few things affected. A Water Elemental is the only one I can think of now - presuming that Elementals are 'non-living'. My current valuation of this sword was based on its +5/+5 and a small amount for an effect that may prove really useful on rare occasions. -- Stephen 11:50, 30 Aug 2006 (NZST)

Club of the Seal King

This simple war-club .only does EN hits. For every small furry animal killed by the club it gains +10 SC and +1 damage till sunrise.

A user may only take up WP such effects. The small furry animals must be at least house cat sized.

War club Wt 3 SC 50 D+2 C class, range 9

GTN Formerly living, GTN Heartwood, ToM Death

Value 7,500 sp

I am a little unclear as to how this works. It needs a rewrite to make it less ambiguous. The item only does endurance hits. Does this mean that a Spec Grev and Endurance are normal Endurance hits, but a fatigue blow is a *miss*, or does it mean that *any* successful strike is automatically an Endurance hit?

Yes. -William

The bonus that applies after killing a small furry critter stacks up to WP times... so someone with 20 WP and a bit of time to prepare will have +200% SC and +20 damage right?

Yes. Any idea how long that would take? The mess? The sheer logistical insanity required? There are just far easier ways for a high level character to get the same effect. - William

We are talking about guild members here right? Even the relatively sane ones keep rabies-infected mammoths skin-changed into mice in their backpacks for an emergency. On any prepared assault, this would be easy to organise and relatively clean compared to many guild missions - at least there are no unborn children required for this :) Andrew 08:01, 30 Aug 2006 (NZST)

The Club is *any* successful strike is automatically an Endurance hit. I think the bonus is max WP, so 20WP character would gain a max of 20 to SC and +2 Damage, I will check with William. --Jono Bean 15:36, 28 Aug 2006 (NZST)

Frozen Luck

This can be used at the players choice correct? So there is no down side to this? I don't care if there isn't, but from talking to Jono I had a slightly different picture of it.

I will check with William regarding the Frozen Luck. --Jono Bean 15:36, 28 Aug 2006 (NZST)

These give you at least 10 Spec Grev Blows, about 15 END blows, say 25 MR saves, 20-30 useful stat rolls and around 20 Damage rolls of 9 or 10

-- Chris

Yes that's how it works. The thing is when do you use them? Some Players will burn through the good numbers like they had two more write ups of the same effect. Others will hold on to them more tightly than a limpet waiting for the 'truly needed moment', which never comes. For the middle grounders they get to make a roll when it's needed. Yay, they get to be heroes.

Note that the PC must choose the number instead of making a roll. If the dice roll is modified or the PC must re-roll that applies too.

-- William

The Tetragramaton

This is a small bronze plaque inscribed with one of the most powerful words in the multi-verse.

It has a number of uses.

1) If used to make a golem the binder's effective rank is doubled.

2) If attached to a suit of armour the wearer is considered to actively resist all hostile magics targeted against them.

3) If used on a shield the user may reduce magic damage from the front by their armour rating.

4) If used on a c class melee weapon it acts as having a permanent rank 10 smite effect. D+11

5) If used on a bladed weapon the weapon ignores armour.

6) When held by a namer their rank in counter spells is increased by 50% for determining chances to dispel.

The tetragramaton does D+6 damage to any constructs, unholy, PODs, agents or such like things on contact.

This is probably the toughest item here because it can be applied to another item to improve it. I know of swords that hit for over D+20. I also know of swords that do nasty things if they do effective damage (such as automatically spec grev, poison etc), but were balanced because they hit lightly and wouldn't always get through armour. This could turn a reasonably tough item into something that is *extremely* frightning (e.g. a D+20 sword that ignores armour).

Andrew 09:36, 28 Aug 2006 (NZST)

Again yes. It is stonkingly tough. But what does 'attached' mean? You must affix the plaque to the item. This probably requires the services of a smith or even a shaper. Attaching may destroy the original shaped effects. So it's not something you can easily transfer. And it's sought after by every evil binder to fashion their super, uber golem o doom.

---William

Actually on the example Andrew mentioned it says 'If Used' and if attached means that shaping may be damaged that should be specified. Mandos 11:57, 31 Aug 2006 (NZST)

William, since your signature is on the item would you care to explain what "attached" means in the context of the item? And whether "used" and "attached" mean the same thing? Does "used to make a Golem" mean that it is consumed in the process? Or does the Binder wear it while working?

You state that it "probably requires the services of a smith or even a shaper"; does it? Who would know better than you?

Martin Dickson 12:26, 31 Aug 2006 (NZST)

Golden Shield

3 lbs Quest; This large round shield gives normal defense to the user. The shield also gives half as much IV for weapons that are used in the other hand at the same time (as a bonus). It also gives +2 damage to the other weapon.
Golden Shield of the Emperor: 3 lbs quest; This large round shield gives normal defense to the user. The shield also gives twice as much IV for weapons that are used in the other hand at the same time. It also gives +3 damage to the other weapon.

A question on the Golden Shield of the Emperor. When it says twice as much IV, is that the total IV for the engaged weapon (including PC and AG) or just the weapon and warrior ranks (if applicable). I interpreted it as just doubling the rank contributions. Is that correct?

Keith

The Golden Shields were amongst the most ambiguous items in terms of effect. Do they increase or decrease IV of the weapon? That is, do they add +2 damage while increase IV to 150% of normal, or do they add +2 DM while halving IV? (Use of "bonus" suggest the former, in which case "half as much" should be "half as much again")... or do they provide normal defence and add half that defence value as bonus IV??

Martin Dickson 12:32, 31 Aug 2006 (NZST)

May I suggest this as a change to the writeup, I believe that this is the intent:

Golden Shield

Weight: 3 lbs (7 lbs less than a standard shield)

When wielded in combat this large round shield gives:

Normal defense (4% per rank in shield)
Increased initiative with the primary weapon, instead of 1 per rank in the primary weapon and in warrior, add 1.5 per rank.
Increased damage with the primary weapon, +2 damage.

NB The increased IV and damage do not apply to attacks with the shield, nor to other secondary attacks (e.g. Unarmed Kick).

Golden Shield of the Emperor

Weight: 3 lbs (7 lbs less than a standard shield)

When wielded in combat this large round shield gives:

Normal defense (4% per rank in shield)
Increased initiative with the primary weapon, instead of 1 per rank in the primary weapon and in warrior, add 2 per rank.
Increased damage with the primary weapon, +3 damage.

NB The increased IV and damage do not apply to attacks with the shield, nor to other secondary attacks (e.g. Unarmed Kick).

I and others initially interpreted this as multiplying your total IV with your primary weapon by 1.5 or 2, but this has an extreme effect when combined with high IV characters (E.g. Sabrina gained over 50IV using the Golden Shield) which I'm sure was not the intention. -- Stephen 13:57, 31 Aug 2006 (NZST)

Boon from the Temple of War

(+1 effective rank in a weapon)

Req'd time to rank the weapons?

As I read it, you don't rank the weapon, you simply use it 1 effective rank higher than your actual rank. E.g. Hand and a Half at Rk 6, wield it at rank 7. When you rank it to 7 then you get to wield it as if Rk 8. -- Stephen 14:28, 29 Aug 2006 (NZST)

Valuations

As an interesting exercise, what would you all value these items at?

This is not about judging the items, but to see how much we vary in out valutaions of the same items.

Add your valuation and name, or add your name to an existing valuation if you agree with it. GMs is the item value from Jon/Jono/William. Please read the writeup before adding a value.

A - F

Belts of hair and shells (3 x Roll 3 times take the best): 200 -- GMs; 1,500 -- Dean; 3,000 -- Stephen; 6,000 -- Mandos Martin
Belt of Speed (+3 TMR): 1,500 -- GMs; 4,500 -- Mandos; 7,500 -- Dean; 15,000 -- Martin; 18,000 -- Stephen
Belt of Strength (Permanent Rk 20 SoS on PS): 2,000 -- GMs; 12,000 -- Stephen; 20,000 -- Martin; 40,000 -- Dean; 42,000 -- Chris; 50,000 -- Mandos
Belt of the Unborn: 50,000+ -- Stephen; 140,000+ -- Chris; 200,000 -- Dean; 250,000+ (shouldn't be in game) -- Martin; Shouldn't be in the game -- Mandos
Boon from the Temple of War (+1 effective rank in a weapon): 8,000 -- Mandos; 10,000 -- Stephen Dean Martin
Black mask and choker: 3,000 -- Stephen Dean Mandos Martin
Black Net of Catock: 4,000 -- Stephen Dean; 5,000 -- Mandos Martin
Blank and Red Mask of the Hidden Jester: 7,000 -- Stephen; 10,000 -- Dean; 15,000 -- Mandos Martin
Blindside ring (War or Assn Rk dependent reduction in rear hexes): 5,500 -- GMs; 10,000 -- Dean; 15,000 -- Stephen; 17,000 -- Martin; 18,000+ -- Chris; 20,000 -- Mandos
Blue sling of Luck (+2Dm attacks on taller people are a possible Spec Grev): 8,000 -- Stephen; 10,000 -- Dean; 20,000 -- Martin; 35,000 -- Mandos
The Book of Light & Shadow (3 masterwork alchemist recipes): 25,000 -- Stephen; 35,000 -- Dean; 40,000 -- Chris; 45,000 -- Martin; 50,000 -- Mandos
Boots of Dark Speed (+20% Stealth +20% Climbing -1 TMR): 1,500 -- Martin; 2,000 -- GMs Stephen Mandos Dean
Boots of Stealth (+2 TMR Hard to Track must be < 5'10"): 5,000 -- Dean; 7,500 -- Mandos; 14,000 -- Stephen; 18,000 -- Martin; 24,000 -- GMs
Breastplate of the Titans: 40,000 -- Stephen; 200,000 -- Dean; 200,000+ (shouldn't be in game) -- Martin; 200,000-500,000 -- Chris; Shouldn't be in the game -- Mandos
Chalice of bitter taste (5,200sp to make party immune to poison for a day): 500 -- GMs Mandos; 1,000 -- Martin; 5,000 -- Stephen Dean
Choker of Wind & Spikes (Speak unknown languages for up to 3 hours at whisperers rank): 1,000 -- Mandos; 6,500 -- Martin; 10,000 -- Stephen Dean
Club of the Seal King: ? can't understand formula -- Martin Dean; 10,000 -- Mandos
Commanders Neck Guard (Prot Knockout, Mil Sci locate-ish troops): 1,500 -- Dean; 5,000 -- Mandos Martin; 6,000 -- Stephen
Dagger of Power (+5% +2Dm Res vs Fire of Unable to Draw Mana dor D10 min): 2,000 -- GMs; 4,500 -- Stephen; 5,000 -- Mandos; 6,000 -- Martin; 12,000 -- Dean; 8-10,000 -- Chris Very potent against any Mage
Depraved ring of the Gigolo (Stat bonuses for sex): 15,000 -- Stephen Mandos; 18,000 -- Martin; 25,000 -- Dean
Duration Tattoo Enchantment (Double Dur of one spell cast on self): 5,000 -- GMs Stephen Mandos Martin Dean
Egg of warm Waterspout: 1,500-2,000 -- Martin; 2,000 -- Stephen Dean Mandos
Elixir of Youth (restored to full health prime of youth): 10,000 -- GMs Stephen Mandos Martin Dean
Enchanted Ruby Lips: 4,000 -- Stephen Mandos Dean; 6,000 -- Martin (4k for rubies already in box + 2k for magic)
An Escape Tunnel (per charge - 30 sec Tunnel to Ranke): 1,000 -- Mandos; 1,500 -- Dean; 2,000 -- Martin; 4,000 -- Stephen
Fan of Distraction (Enrage aquatic within 50'): 25 -- GMs; 1,000 -- Mandos; 3,500 -- Stephen Dean; 5,000 -- Martin
Fan of the four Winds: 10,000 -- Martin; 12,000 -- Stephen; 16,000 -- Mandos; 20,000 -- Dean
Frozen Luck (Each number 01-00 may be used once instead of a dice roll): 60,000 -- Chris; 80,000+ (1/2 doz Specs, 30-40 ensured casts, etc) -- Martin; 100,000 (1/2 doz Specs with death/debilitating injury assured, 8-10 EN blows, 15 x 9 or 10 on damage roll, 30-40 ensured casts, beserk rage fright rolls, etc)-- Dean; Needs to be rewritten -- Mandos

G - M

Girdle of the Brave Warriors (War Rk3+ get second fear check): 1,500 -- Mandos; 3,000 -- Stephen Martin; 5,000 -- Dean
Girdle of the fast Warriors (War Rk6+ 2nd fear check and 4FT to move additional Rk hexes): 7,000 -- Dean Martin; 10,000 -- Mandos; 12,000 -- Stephen
Golden fur boots (+2 TMR): 5,000 -- Mandos Dean; 10,000 -- Stephen; 12,000 -- Martin
Golden Shield (+2 Dam +? IV with primary weapon) [Or do these reduce IV??]: ? (can't understand writeup) -- Martin; 7,500 -- Dean; 15,000 -- Stephen; 25,000 -- Mandos
Golden Shield of the Emperor (+3 Dam +?? IV with primary weapon): 10,000 -- Dean; 20,000 -- Stephen; 22,000 -- Martin
Grey body armour of Protection (12AP 6vsEN, Wt4 Ag-4, No Magic works): 10,000 -- Mandos Dean Martin; 12,000 -- GMs Stephen
Harness of enchanted sleep (4xFT recovery if you sleep naked in the harness): 2,000 -- Dean; 5,000 -- Mandos; 6,000 -- Martin; 8,000 -- Stephen
Heart of Gold (D+10 and Stun Impure, Enhanced Golems): 10,000 -- Dean; 15,000 -- GMs Stephen Mandos Martin
Helm of Dark Luck (+1AP -5%MR): 2,000 -- Dean Martin; 5,000 -- Stephen Mandos
An Imperial Pardon Writ: ? What's the value of 10x Lunar slaves + debts? -- Martin; 10,000 -- Stephen Mandos
An Imperial Writ to Land: 50,000? What is the cost of land in Lunar City? -- Stephen; ? Ditto Stephen's question -- Martin Dean
Key Stone: 2,000 -- Mandos Martin Dean; 5,000 -- Stephen
Light Gold Ball (Per Charge - Banish All Elementals within 150'): 2,400 -- GMs Stephen Mandos Dean; 2,500 -- Martin
Lightning Sword (H1/2 +10%, Permanent Lightning Spell +21% +6dam +10iv): 13,350 -- GMs; 28,000 -- Stephen; 35,000 -- Mandos; 45,000 -- Martin; 75,000 -- Dean
Lunar gold nuggets (per use): 125 -- GMs; 500 -- Stephen Dean; 750 -- Martin; 1,000 -- Mandos
Magic Papers: 5,000 -- GMs Stephen Martin Dean; 12,000 -- Mandos

N - R

Necklace of Gems: 1,500 -- GMs; 5,000 -- Stephen Martin Dean; 7,500 -- Mandos
Nipple ring of the Emperors: 15,000 -- Dean Stephen; 18,000 -- Martin; 20,000 -- Mandos
Painful Sleep (90% chance of waking if a sentient comes within 50'): 500 -- GMs; 1,000 -- Dean; 2,000 -- Mandos; 3,000 -- Stephen Martin
Petronella's female/male disguise: 6,000 -- Dean; 8,000 -- Stephen; 10,000 / 8,000 -- Martin (male 8k due to less useful outfit); 10,000 -- Mandos
The Pike of the East (No damage, shorter targets Res vs Wicca or die, expires in 2 years): 12,000 -- Martin; 12,500 -- Dean; 20,000 -- Stephen; 200,000 -- Mandos
Rabbits Feet (one use roll again after a failed MR): 200 -- GMs; 900 -- Stephen; 1,000 -- Mandos; 2,000 -- Martin Dean
Ring of Gymblow (approx 3,000sp per charge re-usable invested Rk 16 Feather Fall & Flight): 5,000 -- Martin; 6,000 -- Dean; 7,000 -- Stephen; 8,000 -- Mandos
Ring of Pure Wind (Dance with equal rank to your partner): 1,000 -- Dean; 2,000 -- Mandos Martin; 4,000 -- Stephen
Ring of Intimate Winds (Borrowed Aspect): 1,500 -- Dean; 5,000 -- Stephen Mandos; 6,000 -- Martin
Ring of Intimate Winds (Assassin Forgetfullness) [Is this the right name? Martin Dickson]: 3,000 -- Dean; 4,000 -- Stephen; 8,000 -- Martin; 15,000 -- Mandos
Ring of the Field Commanders (Mil Sci Rk dependent bonus to party SC, Def, IV): 10,000 -- Dean Martin; 20,000 -- Chris Stephen Mandos
Ring of the Senators Command (Mil Sci Rk dependent bonus to party SC, Def, IV, bonus pass action): 15,000 -- Dean Martin; 20,000 -- Chris; 25,000 -- Mandos; 30,000 -- Stephen
Ring of Return (One use personal escape to Lunar Inquisitors): 5,000 -- Stephen Mandos Martin Dean
Rock of Green sands (per use): 1,000 -- GMs; 2,000 -- Mandos Dean; 2,500 -- Martin
Rock of Igniting Lamps: 1,000 -- Mandos; 1,500 -- Martin Dean; 2,000 -- Stephen
Round Shield (Attracts all missiles within .5 Mi to strike wielder): 25 -- GMs; 100 -- Mandos; 10,000 -- Martin (combine with an immunity effect and protect entire army from missle fire). I agree Dean

S - Z

Shailah Mask (Female only, Extra Pass action every other pulse if 2 men present): 3,000 -- Dean; 4,000 -- Martin; 10,000 -- Stephen Mandos
Shards of the frozen form (Heal and True Form x 4): 10,000 -- Stephen; 8,000 per charge -- Mandos; 40,000 (10,000 per charge) -- Martin Dean
Shell necklaces (3 x +3wp vs mind magics for 3 hours): 200 -- GMs Mandos Dean; 300 -- Martin
Short sash of blight (Once per day use PB to heal friends within 50', PB heals 1/day): 4,000 -- Stephen Dean; 7,000 -- Martin; 30,000 -- Mandos
Short Sword of Speed (Always go first, always hit once/pulse, defence reduced): 5,000 -- Dean; 7,500 -- Mandos; 14,000 -- Stephen; 15,000 -- Martin
A silver tongue stud (can lie convincingly): 2,000 -- Mandos; 2,500 -- Dean; 3,000 -- Martin; 5,000 -- GMs Stephen
Simple Attraction (Opponent unable to withdraw - 3/day): 2,500 -- GMs Stephen; 7,500 -- Mandos Martin; 10,000 -- Dean
Small Blue Ring (Sleep comfortably anywhere, +1FT/Hr in a comfortable bed): 2,500 -- GMs Stephen Mandos; 4,000 -- Dean Martin
Small red river stone (Second chance at fear checks, -30% on fright table): 500 -- GMs Mandos; 1,500 -- Martin; 2,000 -- Stephen Dean
Sticking Sword (H1/2 +5% +3Dm +5iv): 11,000 -- GMs; 12,000 -- Martin; 15,000 -- Stephen; 20,000 -- Dean; 25,000 -- Mandos
Sword of Aaron (H1/2 +5% +5Dm Unliving Res vs Water or Dehydrate): 22,000 -- Martin; 28,000+ -- Chris; 30,000 -- Stephen Mandos; 35,000 -- Dean
Sword of Ascaron the Inquisitor (Sh Swd +1Dam, Permanent Rk 15 Smite): 10,000 -- GMs; 15,000 -- Mandos; 25,000 -- Stephen Dean; ? don't understand damage calculation -- Martin
The Tetragramaton (detailed above): 50,000 -- Stephen Martin Dean; 100,000 -- Chris; Should be rewritten and toned down -- Mandos
Tinderbox of Firebrands (Concealable 1/4Staff +20% +10dam (Fire) Rk 5 may Multi-Hex): 10,000 -- GMs Mandos; 15,000 -- Martin; 20,000 -- Stephen; 40,000 -- Dean
Walrus Fat (Stackable +40% Def in close, +20% in melee for 50mins): 200 -- GMs; 2,500 -- Martin Dean; 3,500 -- Mandos
Wand of Corrupt failures (Increase BC of Gen Spells by 10% per additional FT used): 1,200 -- GMs Dean; 3,000 -- Martin Dean; 5,000 -- Mandos Stephen
Wand of Corrupt duration (Dispell Magic Equivalent, Counterspell at Dble FT, -20%BC, no resist): 8,000 -- Mandos; 20,000 -- Dean; 35,000 -- GMs Stephen; 40,000 -- Martin
Warriors Neck Guard (Prot Knockout, free attack in close based on War Rk): 8,000 -- Dean; 10,000 -- Mandos Martin; 28,000 -- Stephen
Weapon belt of the black rocks (Carry 10 scabarded weapons at no encumbrance): 8,000 -- Dean; 13,000 -- Stephen; 18,000 -- Martin; 25,000 -- Mandos
Whip of the Wasted/Worn Will: 10,000 -- Mandos Stephen Dean Martin

Total

This would seem to be somewhat outside the Money Limits of the Campaign Guidelines.

I'd be interested to hear from the GMs involved and their thoughts on why this is an acceptable deviation from the agreed limits.

Martin Dickson 20:07, 30 Aug 2006 (NZST)

Other Considerations

Arguments about the quantity and value of the items aside, I found many of the writeups to be ambiguous and difficult to parse -- in some cases I was left quite unsure what the intended abilities of the item were -- and feel that they would generally benefit from some copyediting and refinement to improve clarity.
Many of the items currently have a value only of "Quest" given.
- Almost all magical items gained in DQ are gained via Quest -- short of a few manufactured potions and the like -- and GMs are expected to put values against them. Is there a reason that the LWG items should be different?
- I also feel that items really need values against them as there are other items, and abilities, etc in the campaign that trigger off values.

Martin Dickson 17:30, 30 Aug 2006 (NZST)

Re-write completed after considerations

Hi all,

Thanks to those that have put in lots of effort on these couple of pages. I have changed/re-writen some of the items from the LWG. I have removed some items and replaced them almost totaly. I have tried to make some of the items clearer and more understandable (such as the shields).

Yes it is helpful to other GMs to have a value on items other than Quest. I have valued all of the items which comes to a total of 706,200sp which works out at approximatly 47,080sp each if we did a split based on values (which we are not). These do fall within what Jon, William and I acceptable limits. A total of five GMs helped me review the items for their value, it was not a solo-effort.

I will email the players and look at replacing items with new writeups that have a values added to them. I will add this to the wiki as a replacement item file.

The new items pdf file can be found on the main page Winter Games.

Kind regards, --Jono Bean 15:42, 1 Sep 2006 (NZST)

Excellent work on the rewrites Jono.

Mandos 19:51, 1 Sep 2006 (NZST)