Talk:Blood in the Snow - Revision history

ChrisC: edits

2014-11-09T04:26:39Z

edits

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	# 21 Oct {{Yes-I}} all 6 present - Entered Boeden and transited into the vale, up to Porsgrund		# 21 Oct {{Yes-I}} all 6 present - Entered Boeden and transited into the vale, up to Porsgrund
	# 28 Oct {{Yes-I}} 5 present (SM Away) - Entered the forest, scouted and closed on the ruins.		# 28 Oct {{Yes-I}} 5 present (SM Away) - Entered the forest, scouted and closed on the ruins.
	# 04 Nov		# 04 Nov {{Yes-I}} 5 present (AW Sick) - Entered the ruins, started killing the defenceless inhabitants in cold blood
	# 11 Nov		# 11 Nov
	# 18 Nov		# 18 Nov
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	== Rules ==		== Rules ==

			Combat will be standard DQ combat rules - no opposed combat

			<strike>
	=== Opposed Rolling Combat ===		=== Opposed Rolling Combat ===
	We are trialling a variation of the Opposed Rolling as follows. This is a trial, it's designed to be used, tested and then refined before advancing to the next gate of development. Input is appreciated so that we can better refine what we have.		We are trialling a variation of the Opposed Rolling as follows. This is a trial, it's designed to be used, tested and then refined before advancing to the next gate of development. Input is appreciated so that we can better refine what we have.
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	==== Aimed Blows ====		==== Aimed Blows ====
	tba		tba

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ChrisC at 04:33, 1 November 2014

2014-11-01T04:33:35Z

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	# 14 Oct {{Yes-I}} all 6 present - Travelled Narviyk to outside of Boeden		# 14 Oct {{Yes-I}} all 6 present - Travelled Narviyk to outside of Boeden
	# 21 Oct {{Yes-I}} all 6 present - Entered Boeden and transited into the vale, up to Porsgrund		# 21 Oct {{Yes-I}} all 6 present - Entered Boeden and transited into the vale, up to Porsgrund
	# 28 Oct - ~~Stephen away~~.		# 28 Oct {{Yes-I}} 5 present (SM Away) - Entered the forest, scouted and closed on the ruins.
	# 04 Nov		# 04 Nov
	# 11 Nov		# 11 Nov

ChrisC: edit

2014-10-27T08:13:46Z

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	# 23 Sep {{Yes-I}} all 6 present - Setagen and departed on the Grey Storm reaching a ship wreck		# 23 Sep {{Yes-I}} all 6 present - Setagen and departed on the Grey Storm reaching a ship wreck
	# 30 Sep {{Yes-I}} all 6 present - Battled the Sea Serpent & Sharks, saved the survivors, came into port at Barneod		# 30 Sep {{Yes-I}} all 6 present - Battled the Sea Serpent & Sharks, saved the survivors, came into port at Barneod
	# 07 Oct		# 07 Oct {{Yes-I}} all 6 present - Barneod to Narviyk
	# 14 Oct		# 14 Oct {{Yes-I}} all 6 present - Travelled Narviyk to outside of Boeden
	# 21 Oct		# 21 Oct {{Yes-I}} all 6 present - Entered Boeden and transited into the vale, up to Porsgrund
	# 28 Oct - Stephen away.		# 28 Oct - Stephen away.
	# 04 Nov		# 04 Nov

Stephen: /* Rules */ Alternate opposed rolling to trial.

2014-10-20T22:35:23Z

Rules: Alternate opposed rolling to trial.

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 === Opposed Rolling Combat ===
-We are trialing a variation of the Opposed Rolling as follows.  This is a trail, its designed to be used, tested and then refined before advancing to the next gate of development.   Input is appreciated so that we can better refine what we have.
+We are trialling a variation of the Opposed Rolling as follows.  This is a trial, it's designed to be used, tested and then refined before advancing to the next gate of development.   Input is appreciated so that we can better refine what we have.
 ==== Attacking ====
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 Damage will always be high with a quality of 2 or better so these attacks can't be used to subdue eg try to trip someone and either miss or massively damage them.
-Effective damage shouldn't be required to trip or even to disarm --[[User:Kelsie2|Kelsie]] ([[User talk:Kelsie2|talk]]) 19:27, 3 October 2014 (MDT)<code>
+Effective damage shouldn't be required to trip or even to disarm --[[User:Kelsie2|Kelsie]] ([[User talk:Kelsie2|talk]]) 19:27, 3 October 2014 (MDT)

Kelsie2: /* Aimed Blows */

2014-10-04T01:27:37Z

Aimed Blows

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	: If effective damage is done on a nett result of 2 or better then the opponent must make an AG check to stay on their feet. Difficulty = (1 + number of legs) - Nett result of Strike.		: If effective damage is done on a nett result of 2 or better then the opponent must make an AG check to stay on their feet. Difficulty = (1 + number of legs) - Nett result of Strike.

	'''Example''' Knock Out: Attack is a 4, defence is a 2, ~~net~~ result is 2, requires a (3 - 2) 1 x WP Check to stay conscious. If this succeeds then the target must make a Stun Recovery check to avoid being stunned.		'''Example''' Knock Out: Attack is a 4, defence is a 2, nett result is 2, requires a (3 - 2) 1 x WP Check to stay conscious. If this succeeds then the target must make a Stun Recovery check to avoid being stunned.

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			With a Result Quality of 2 required there is never more than a 1x difficulty stat check to avoid or am I missing something. Should it be 5-... instead of 3-...

			Damage will always be high with a quality of 2 or better so these attacks can't be used to subdue eg try to trip someone and either miss or massively damage them.

			Effective damage shouldn't be required to trip or even to disarm --[[User:Kelsie2\|Kelsie]] ([[User talk:Kelsie2\|talk]]) 19:27, 3 October 2014 (MDT)<code>

Velcanthus: /* Initiative */

2014-10-02T08:18:23Z

Initiative

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	The problem with any attempt to create a generic IV system, or even a review of our current initiative system, is that it almost certainly will not stand up to any reasonable scrutiny. There are a LOT of sensible permutations that could be applied. Should MA replace AG for mages, are other stats applicable depending on type of action, should smaller/faster weapons have IV bonuses, is PC really that important in calculating speed of action, should there be a random element and of what size? <br>		The problem with any attempt to create a generic IV system, or even a review of our current initiative system, is that it almost certainly will not stand up to any reasonable scrutiny. There are a LOT of sensible permutations that could be applied. Should MA replace AG for mages, are other stats applicable depending on type of action, should smaller/faster weapons have IV bonuses, is PC really that important in calculating speed of action, should there be a random element and of what size? <br>
	Whatever it ends up becoming, the key, IMHO, is ease of use at runtime. Situational modifiers, such as Activity IV, I find more problematic as they require runtime calculations, even though they feel reasonably sensible		Whatever it ends up becoming, the key, IMHO, is ease of use at runtime. Situational modifiers, such as Activity IV, I find more problematic as they require runtime calculations, even though they feel reasonably sensible
	--[[User:Dean Ellis\|Dean Ellis]] ([[User talk:Dean Ellis\|talk]]) 16:52, 1 October 2014 (MDT)		--[[User:Dean Ellis\|Dean Ellis]] ([[User talk:Dean Ellis\|talk]]) 16:52, 1 October 2014 (MDT)<br>

			There's no evidence to indicate that AG has an impact on when people act, although it is certainly fair to assume that it is about movement, and how fast you travel.<br>
			Agile boxers do not act first, aggressive boxers do. However, reality is irrelevant, the issue is that what you want to make critical for a type of character. AG is critical for so many different types of activity and this rule is, again, stupid beyond the dreams of stupid stupid things everywhere because it gives yet more value to a stat. <br>
			We would be better placed to tie MD to initiative for weapons and MA to initiative for spells. We have almost no good reason to find yet another reason for people to choose high AG, unless you want to narrow the range of likely character types.

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ChrisC: edits

2014-10-01T23:57:34Z

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	__NOTOC__		__NOTOC__
	== Playing Nights ==		== Playing Nights ==
	# 16 Sep {{Yes-I}} all 6 present - Guild, Departure, ~~Travelled~~ to Setagen		# 16 Sep {{Yes-I}} all 6 present - Guild, Departure, Traveled to Setagen
	# 23 Sep {{Yes-I}} all 6 present - Setagen and departed on the Grey Storm		# 23 Sep {{Yes-I}} all 6 present - Setagen and departed on the Grey Storm reaching a ship wreck
	# 30 Sep		# 30 Sep {{Yes-I}} all 6 present - Battled the Sea Serpent & Sharks, saved the survivors, came into port at Barneod
	# 07 Oct		# 07 Oct
	# 14 Oct		# 14 Oct
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	=== Opposed Rolling Combat ===		=== Opposed Rolling Combat ===
	~~Trialling~~ a variation of the Opposed Rolling as follows.		We are trialing a variation of the Opposed Rolling as follows. This is a trail, its designed to be used, tested and then refined before advancing to the next gate of development. Input is appreciated so that we can better refine what we have.

	==== Attacking ====		==== Attacking ====
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	: AG + PC + (2 x rank of Party MilSci) + ''Activity IV''		: AG + PC + (2 x rank of Party MilSci) + ''Activity IV''
	Activity IV is one of		Activity IV is one of
	* ~~WeaponRank~~ + Warrior for most combat actions		* Weapon Rank + Warrior for most combat actions
	* Half (Spell or talent rank) for most magical actions (excludes Triggering)		* Half (Spell or talent rank) for most magical actions (excludes Triggering)
	* Applicable Skill rank (if there is one) for other actions		* Applicable Skill rank (if there is one) for other actions
	* D10		* D10

	<code> Really?<br>		<code> Really?<br>
	So, having high AG makes you a better spell caster? Along with all of the other stuff it does? <br>		So, having high AG makes you a better spell caster? Along with all of the other stuff it does? <br>

Dean Ellis: /* Initiative */

2014-10-01T22:52:48Z

Initiative

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	The number that I think of when I think how many times this is stupid starts with F and ends with a k, and there's an exclamation mark attached.<br>		The number that I think of when I think how many times this is stupid starts with F and ends with a k, and there's an exclamation mark attached.<br>
	~Jim for those who can't work it out.<br>		~Jim for those who can't work it out.<br>
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			<code> I think there is confusion between better amd faster. I do not think AG makes a better spell caster, but does it make you a faster one? <br>
			On the surface AG looks to be a standard in DQ for "speed of action" given that it heavily defines our speed of movement, and is a factor in current engaged initiative calculations. Having said that, it is not a factor in current unengaged calculations, and only PC appears in both. The same question could therefore be applied to PC, does having more make you faster to act, whatever the action type? I certainly feel that with experience I have become slower, but that could just be an age thing :-) <br>
			The problem with any attempt to create a generic IV system, or even a review of our current initiative system, is that it almost certainly will not stand up to any reasonable scrutiny. There are a LOT of sensible permutations that could be applied. Should MA replace AG for mages, are other stats applicable depending on type of action, should smaller/faster weapons have IV bonuses, is PC really that important in calculating speed of action, should there be a random element and of what size? <br>
			Whatever it ends up becoming, the key, IMHO, is ease of use at runtime. Situational modifiers, such as Activity IV, I find more problematic as they require runtime calculations, even though they feel reasonably sensible
			--[[User:Dean Ellis\|Dean Ellis]] ([[User talk:Dean Ellis\|talk]]) 16:52, 1 October 2014 (MDT)
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Velcanthus: /* Aimed Blows */

2014-10-01T00:53:05Z

Aimed Blows

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	; Knock Out - Aimed Blow at the head with intention of stunning or knocking out an opponent		; Knock Out - Aimed Blow at the head with intention of stunning or knocking out an opponent
	: If effective damage is done on a nett result of 2 or better then the opponent must make a WP check to stay conscious. Difficulty = 3 - Nett result of Strike. If the target stays conscious then they must make an immediate Stun recovery check to avoid being stunned.		: If effective damage is done on a nett result of 2 or better then the opponent must make a WP check to stay conscious. Difficulty = 3 - Nett result of Strike. If the target stays conscious then they must make an immediate Stun recovery check to avoid being stunned.
	: Sap - a special property of Saps is that a Knock Out Aimed Blow is potentially successful on a ~~net~~ result of 1 or better.		: Sap - a special property of Saps is that a Knock Out Aimed Blow is potentially successful on a nett result of 1 or better.
	: Assassins - may choose to inflict no more than 1 effective damage on an attempted Knock Out.		: Assassins - may choose to inflict no more than 1 effective damage on an attempted Knock Out.
	; Disarm - Aimed Blow at the hand(s) with the intent of disarming an opponent.		; Disarm - Aimed Blow at the hand(s) with the intent of disarming an opponent.

Velcanthus: /* Aimed Blows */ spelling

2014-10-01T00:52:38Z

Aimed Blows: spelling

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	==== Aimed Blows ====		==== Aimed Blows ====
	Special Attack, requires a nett result of 2 or better to have an effect. ~~Net~~ result of 1 has no effect. Damage is calculated and applied as normal, potential Specific Grievous wounds are not applied instead the aimed intent should be almost certain of success.		Special Attack, requires a nett result of 2 or better to have an effect. Nett result of 1 has no effect. Damage is calculated and applied as normal, potential Specific Grievous wounds are not applied instead the aimed intent should be almost certain of success.
	The result of an aimed blow will depend on the circumstances and nature of the target as adjudicated by the GM, some common examples are:		The result of an aimed blow will depend on the circumstances and nature of the target as adjudicated by the GM, some common examples are:
	; Knock Out - Aimed Blow at the head with intention of stunning or knocking out an opponent		; Knock Out - Aimed Blow at the head with intention of stunning or knocking out an opponent
	: If effective damage is done on a ~~net~~ result of 2 or better then the opponent must make a WP check to stay conscious. Difficulty = 3 - ~~Net~~ result of Strike. If the target stays conscious then they must make an immediate Stun recovery check to avoid being stunned.		: If effective damage is done on a nett result of 2 or better then the opponent must make a WP check to stay conscious. Difficulty = 3 - Nett result of Strike. If the target stays conscious then they must make an immediate Stun recovery check to avoid being stunned.
	: Sap - a special property of Saps is that a Knock Out Aimed Blow is potentially successful on a net result of 1 or better.		: Sap - a special property of Saps is that a Knock Out Aimed Blow is potentially successful on a net result of 1 or better.
	: Assassins - may choose to inflict no more than 1 effective damage on an attempted Knock Out.		: Assassins - may choose to inflict no more than 1 effective damage on an attempted Knock Out.
	; Disarm - Aimed Blow at the hand(s) with the intent of disarming an opponent.		; Disarm - Aimed Blow at the hand(s) with the intent of disarming an opponent.
	: If effective damage is done on a ~~net~~ result of 2 or better then the opponent must make an (MD + Weapon Rank) check to retain their weapon. Difficulty = 3 - ~~Net~~ result of Strike, +1 for two-handed weapons.		: If effective damage is done on a nett result of 2 or better then the opponent must make an (MD + Weapon Rank) check to retain their weapon. Difficulty = 3 - Nett result of Strike, +1 for two-handed weapons.
	; Trip - Aimed Blow at the legs with the intent of tripping an opponent.		; Trip - Aimed Blow at the legs with the intent of tripping an opponent.
	: If effective damage is done on a ~~net~~ result of 2 or better then the opponent must make an AG check to stay on their feet. Difficulty = (1 + number of legs) - ~~Net~~ result of Strike.		: If effective damage is done on a nett result of 2 or better then the opponent must make an AG check to stay on their feet. Difficulty = (1 + number of legs) - Nett result of Strike.

	'''Example''' Knock Out: Attack is a 4, defence is a 2, net result is 2, requires a (3 - 2) 1 x WP Check to stay conscious. If this succeeds then the target must make a Stun Recovery check to avoid being stunned.		'''Example''' Knock Out: Attack is a 4, defence is a 2, net result is 2, requires a (3 - 2) 1 x WP Check to stay conscious. If this succeeds then the target must make a Stun Recovery check to avoid being stunned.