Talk:Deer

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An example of my idea of single-creature pages that link to the Bestiary entries (at the subheading i.e. individual creature level). Note that a REDIRECT will go to the top of the linked page, ignoring any subheadings provided in the link, so this approach is the next best thing IMO. As the bestiary pages need some re-organising (to match the GMs Guide), I suggest holding off setting any more single-creature pages for now. --Errol 17:56, 18 Dec 2006 (NZDT)


Actually the redirect goes to exactly where it should go. I have changed it to the working redirect.

Mandos 15:16, 8 Jan 2007 (NZDT)

If you enter 'Deer' in the search box and click 'Go', you are taken to the top of the page, not the Deer entry (and have to chose from the ToC). Likewise if you add a link to 'Deer' on another page (see bottom of WordSmith). I think it only works properly if you click on the redirect link (and note that it ignores the '|Deer' in the wikicode) on the 'Deer' page proper.

As users will have to do an additional click anyway (unless the creature happens to be the top of the page), we may as well make it the only link available on a page, rather than having to find it in the ToC. Note that the wikicode required for each individual page can be extracted from the Bestiary Index, and making a temp page to list the required links to new pages only needs a small amount of playing around with the wikicode in XL (or whatever).

--Errol 16:19, 8 Jan 2007 (NZDT)

On the other hand, nothing links here.....Why are we even bothering? Lets just delete the page and people can create links that go to the correct place, or they can add enough info to make it worth the animal having a page of it's own. Mandos 15:10, 11 Jan 2007 (NZDT)

This page was created as an example of how I saw this working (and so I could test what happened). The idea of having individual (redirecting) pages for beasts is so that if people want to link to say a Hippogriff they don't have to work out the Bestiary page name (which is a hassle they will probably not bother with), they just have to put link brackets around the beast name. Then is someone eg mentions one of those strange fancy beasts in scribe notes, your chance of being able to easily check what it is will be higher. --Errol 15:40, 11 Jan 2007 (NZDT)



Tried a new approach to the animals issue. What do people think? The master pages are created from links to the individual pages meaning that you only have to edit one page to update both the individual, master and any other pages using the embedded individual pages.

I could be wrong but this appears to give us all the good sides without any bad sides.... The pages with all the animals from a category are a good idea, so you can see all the animals at once. The individual pages are a good idea as they allow for Category listings, the ability to just print the animal you want to use as a GM as well as the ease of linking.

--Mandos 10:03, 18 Oct 2007 (NZDT)


It works for me. And having individual pages means that the category pages can be used for an index, and this should be automatically updated if a new creature is added, as long as the appropriate categories are added. No more manual indexing.
An Index page is more flexible - you can include significant alternative names, for instance (unless you can force the Category to display something other than the page name??).--Errol 11:53, 18 Oct 2007 (NZDT)
And also having separate pages allows the capability of adding more information such as pictures, or other information for the creature in question
So yeah .. go for it.

--Keith 10:46, 18 Oct 2007 (NZDT)

Perhaps significant alternative names can be handled by adding a dummy page with the category, and then redirecting this to the main page? I'm going to experiment with a few options - unless Mandos, Stephen or one of the other knowledgable ones has already figured it out.

--Andreww 22:39, 20 Oct 2007 (NZDT) I can't get a redirect and any other tags to work on the same page. So, no redirect & category. Stag is my attempt/failure. If better minds than I have ideas... --Andreww 00:47, 21 Oct 2007 (NZDT)

A redirect is ignored if it is not the first thing on the page, and if it is used then everything else on the page is ignored. Not sure if this was evolution or design but I don't believe there's a way around it.
-- Stephen 17:32, 21 Oct 2007 (NZDT)

Attempted a solution to this issue. See Stag. Does this work for everyone? --Mandos 09:44, 25 Oct 2007 (NZDT)