Talk:Calendar for Insel der Freiheit
This is a variant of the Aztec and Mayan calendar system edited to fit various story requirements and the Western Kingdom 364 day year. Yes they really were this crazy in South America :-) If anyone else wants to do the maths just to confirm the Date for Beltane is correct that would be great. Mandos 19:58, 25 Dec 2007 (NZDT)
Correction of Cycle Length
According to my math, you've got a 365 day year as compared to the 364 day per year for the WK calendar. That right? --Keith 20:58, 28 Dec 2007 (NZDT)
18 months x 20 days + 4 days for Festival of the New Year = 18*20+4 = 364? --Andreww 01:40, 29 Dec 2007 (NZDT)
25550 / 70 = 365 days. I think there's an inconsistancy somewhere. --Keith 07:43, 29 Dec 2007 (NZDT)
Thanks for that Keith. I will recheck the dates are right for the start of my adventure. Otherwise the Astrology readings will be off :-) Mandos 09:43, 29 Dec 2007 (NZDT)
I'm struggling to understand the calendar. By my best estimate, Beltane 808WK is "1 Millipede in the week beginning 1 Millipede, 3rd day of Radiant Blooms in the Year 2 Azure Horizon".
Also by my understanding, the "in the week beginning 1 Millipede" isn't needed, as 4 Bat will always be in the week beginning 1 Termite, Bat being 3 after Termite". Ditto, the year number 1-5 is not needed, that being subsumed by the year name. From what I understand (which is presumably wrong), "1 Millipede, 3rd day of Radiant Blooms in the Year Azure Horizon" is sufficient to define a day. You may need to do a bit more explaining of how the calendar works otherwise. Also, are the four New Year "intercalary" days at the end of the year, after the 18 months? I assumed so, but... If it is useful and desired, I can then do an instant conversion page between Insel & WK dates. BTW, I couldn't get ANY day to be "4 Bat in the week beginning 1 Termite, 18th day of Gathering Dark in the Year 4 Midnight Rising", and the 23 week day names make the cycle 70*23 years, unless each year resets the week day name to 1 Monkey again. --Andreww 21:36, 29 Dec 2007 (NZDT)
Update: With the first day of the first week being Life, and using 115 years rather than 5, I now have Beltane 808 as: 1 Death, 3rd day of Radiant Blooms in the Year 52 Azure Horizon. I've been assuming that the 4 days of the High Holiday belong to a 'nineteenth' month, but that the 23 weekdays keep rolling along, as otherwise I don't get a cycle of 115 years. Is this true, or do the 4 intercalary days have no weekday - in which case, you may need to scrub your cycle? Also, when do these intercalary days occur? I've been assuming the last four days of their year (the first 4 days before the start of winter), but anything could be true - 1/season, at the start, or ...
I have 11 Death, 19th day of Forest Heart in the Year 51 Green Tempest as 4 days before Beltane 807, and 8 Elephant, 16th day of Forest Heart in the Year 51 Green Tempest as 3 days before that, as my closest matching dates to your description of Beltane 808. More clues needed, please. Or perhaps the IdF dates for a few more Beltanes closer to 641WK. --Andreww 19:08, 20 Jan 2008 (NZDT)
It seems that for evey year, Months 1,8,15 (Quiet Sea, Entrancing Power, & Thoughts of Darkness), the day of the week co-incides with the day of the moht - so you get 3 Monkey, 3rd day of Quiet Sea, 4 Bat, 4th day of Quiet Sea, etc, with the number repeated in the date for 14 days. I can imagine this happening occasionally, but if it happens 3 times a year, then the numbering of weeks and months are a little too closely linked? 10 weeks of 14 days = 7 months of 20 days, so it repeats every 140 days (reset by the end of the year). Is a tweak possible here? Maybe I have over-thought it, but if you are going with such a complex calendar, it had might as well be elegant as well...
Also, still stuck on getting the date right for Beltane 808. --Andreww 19:41, 20 Jan 2008 (NZDT)
- Getting closer...
- The first four days (Samhain-3 Frost) are the special days (Day of Darkness, Day of Peril, Day of Salvation, Day of Light)
- The day names, days of the week, days of the month, and month names do not apply to the four special days, putting them on a 360 day cycle each year.
- The Names of the years are on a simple 5 year cycle.
- 23 day names and 14 days of the week = 161 year cycle (23*14/gcd(23*14,360). With 5 year names this gives a cycle of 805 years.
- Beltane 808 is 5 Life, 19th day of Forest Heart in the Year 167 Azure Horizon.